Cop shoots biker

[SteedaGT]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7433661

[Shark Ethic]

hmmm

[foxrider64]

trigger happy mo fo.

I feel bad that the rider's family now has to go through this and that someone lost their life because he was afraid

[Shark Ethic]

hmmmm .... I can see why the cop may have thought the biker was going for a weapon. I think a taser may have been a way more appropriate method then a bullet. However I can also see the family's argument. This is an interesting one.

[justlyjohns]

the guy moving his body and arm very slightly to his right is not cause to open fire, to be ready to fire and be drawn on him yes, but there was no warrant to crank a round at him. The cop should be charged with attempted murder and fired, he obviously does not know what the hell he is doing and shouldn't be trusted with a gun.

[RiverRoadWarrior]

In the F*#$ing back no less!! Even if the guy was pulling a gun, he wasn't in a position to make use of it with his back to the officer and straddling his bike. I can see how he might think it looked as if he was drawing one, but I also think he (the officer) was in a position to wait another second to be sure. He had cover and lighting on his side. These guys are suppose to be trained on making this decision and he failed. Now a man is paralyzed. I don't know if this cop deserves 11 years in prison, but he sure should pay for this mistake. Maybe a more fitting punishment would be to have him tend to the needs of the victim. Push him around in his wheel chair, wipe his ass etc.

[David]

the guy moving his body and arm very slightly to his right is not cause to open fire, to be ready to fire and be drawn on him yes, but there was no warrant to crank a round at him. The cop should be charged with attempted murder and fired, he obviously does not know what the hell he is doing and shouldn't be trusted with a gun.

The whole situation sucks. However, if you were an officer dealing with all the dangers and B/S out there every day, you could quite possibly make the same mistake yourself, especially with the adrenaline pumping during a chase.

[Moadibe]

I got pulled over for speeding in NC and turned my body to look at the cop in the same manner this guy did... only difference is there was a compitent cop behind me and not a scared trigger happy moron. Feel bad for the guy...got shot and then the cop left the bike on top of him for a couple minutes while he moved around looking confused.

[Shark Ethic]

In the F*#$ing back no less!! Even if the guy was pulling a gun, he wasn't in a position to make use of it with his back to the officer and straddling his bike.



Thats a rather large assumption. I was unaware that there was only one position to fire a weapon from.

[RiverRoadWarrior]

Thats a rather large assumption. I was unaware that there was only one position to fire a weapon from.

I'd like to see how anyone shoots someone behind them over their left shoulder while looking over their right. Come on man. Did you watch the video?

[Shark Ethic]

I'd like to see how anyone shoots someone behind them over their left shoulder while looking over their right. Come on man. Did you watch the video?
How long would it take you to take your hand out of your right pocket and turn? a half a second?

[Berzerker]

gotta side with the biker on this one....

[O Holy P]

Same here, he was on his bike, the idiot officer could have stayed behind his vehicle with gun drawn and communicated with him. It would help if the damn siren was turned off too. What a moron, totally senseless. The officer should be shot.

[Firemedic]

The biker looks relaxed like he was just sitting there waiting for his ticket... not threatening and if he seemed that way to the cop the force was way over the top... yeah a tazer wouldve been the better call.

In the end it sucked that he got the bad end of the stick on this deal. The cop wasnt undercover... why the hell did they take off in the first place????

[indianskid7220]

ok so I read everyones comments before I watched the vid. Sorry guys but I have to side with rrw on this one too. He didnt really make any action at all that should have threatened the cop. It seems that he could have told the guy to take his hands out of his pockets with a gun drawn down on him. I personally feel that was completely out of line and now this guy should pay for it. If I were on the jury he would be guilty in my eyes just based on this evidence. However, I am sure there is a mountain of evidence that supports the cop, so that is the reason I am saying based on this he is guilty.

[ClevelandWheeler]

The whole situation sucks. However, if you were an officer dealing with all the dangers and B/S out there every day, you could quite possibly make the same mistake yourself, especially with the adrenaline pumping during a chase.

I dont think he can use that as a defense in court especially since as a law enforcement officer he choose to do that work knowing the stress and dangers not to mention the training. Even if he does use that it doesn't make him any less responsible for shooting an unarmed man. It's his job to make those determinations. Look back at the officer that shot the man in the back like last year while he was in handcuffs on the ground, he said he was trying to taze him but pulled his gun on accident. In this job its your responsibility to make the right choice........peoples lives depend on it.

[flynjay]

My judging the body language of the officer after he checked the guy for a weapon... he realized he screwed this one up. The biker didn't act in a threating manner at all. To me, it looks like he was waiting (looking over his shoulder) for the officer to go after his friend who just ran over the median. When he realized to officer wasn't moving, he may have been fumbling for DL and INS. Bike may have been idling and he didn't hear the officer's instructions. Reguardless, the officer had already escalated the situation by having his side arm drawn vs a taser. He could have even waited in the car and used the PA, if the bike was not turned off. I'd like to see how often the officer has discharged his weapon. See if he has a history of pushing the allowable use of force.

[David]

I dont think he can use that as a defense in court especially since as a law enforcement officer he choose to do that work knowing the stress and dangers not to mention the training. Even if he does use that it doesn't make him any less responsible for shooting an unarmed man. It's his job to make those determinations. Look back at the officer that shot the man in the back like last year while he was in handcuffs on the ground, he said he was trying to taze him but pulled his gun on accident. In this job its your responsibility to make the right choice........peoples lives depend on it.

What I said was not a defense. There's no doubt he fucked up. I'm merely stating that it could happen to any one of us. We're only human. It's easy to make comments from the side line but the fact is none of us were there. We don't know all of the facts and we weren't in this particular officer's shoes.

Who knows??? Maybe two guys on cruisers that matched the description of these two just robbed a McDonald's and shot one of the clerks. Maybe the clerk was a pregnant woman. Or maybe not. Or maybe the officer's a doosh and shouldn't be in that line of work. Maybe the officer's had one too many guns pointed at him by badass bikers that can draw and stop at the same time, which has made him paranoid over time. Who knows??? It doesn't help that these two rocketed from a stop like they were running from the police.

Don't get your panties in a wad, guys and girls. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just trying to shed some light on why this might have happened. Like I said, he f@#$%d up. As to why? Only he knows.

[David]

I got pulled over for speeding in NC and turned my body to look at the cop in the same manner this guy did... only difference is there was a compitent cop behind me and not a scared trigger happy moron. Feel bad for the guy...got shot and then the cop left the bike on top of him for a couple minutes while he moved around looking confused.

Oh please...she took one look at you and realized you're not a threat. ;)

[ClevelandWheeler]

What I said was not a defense. There's no doubt he fucked up. I'm merely stating that it could happen to any one of us. We're only human. It's easy to make comments from the side line but the fact is none of us were there. We don't know all of the facts and we weren't in this particular officer's shoes.

Who knows??? Maybe two guys on cruisers that matched the description of these two just robbed a McDonald's and shot one of the clerks. Maybe the clerk was a pregnant woman. Or maybe not. Or maybe the officer's a doosh and shouldn't be in that line of work. Maybe the officer's had one too many guns pointed at him by badass bikers that can draw and stop at the same time, which has made him paranoid over time. Who knows??? It doesn't help that these two rocketed from a stop like they were running from the police.

Don't get your panties in a wad, guys and girls. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just trying to shed some light on why this might have happened. Like I said, he f@#$%d up. As to why? Only he knows.
Here (http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100512/NEWS02/5120338) is a bit more on the subject.
Im not upset just having a conversation about it. There were no precursors here what you see in the video is what happened it all started by the officer following the bikers, the only thing that I assume that I cant see by the video is that the officer was profiling the bikers and that's why he had his cam on and was following them for so long. By the officers own words hes worried that he did something wrong and will end up in jail. (it isnt however unusual for an officer involved in a shooting to feel that way) But he never showed concern for the man he shot, never asked how he was or even tried to help him after he shot him he just left the bike on top of him the bikers friend "came across the scene on Central Avenue and tried to get the motorcycle off his friend once he saw Mr. McCloskey lying on the pavement."He told investigators that Officer White looked like a "deer in headlights" after the incident. "It looked like he was scared." Those are not actions indicative to an officer "doing the right thing".

[Tripyn]

hmmmm .... I can see why the cop may have thought the biker was going for a weapon. I think a taser may have been a way more appropriate method then a bullet. However I can also see the family's argument. This is an interesting one.

I agree with you Steve, they had just run from him, he appears to be going for something, it was a split second decsion and he choose to shoot him not knowing what he was reaching for. I can't say how I would react in this sitituation, I don't think any of us can but clearly a poor judgement call was made.

What is sad is both of their lives will be changed forever because of it!

[ClevelandWheeler]

I agree with you Steve, they had just run from him, he appears to be going for something, it was a split second decsion and he choose to shoot him not knowing what he was reaching for. I can't say how I would react in this sitituation, I don't think any of us can but clearly a poor judgement call was made.

What is sad is both of their lives will be changed forever because of it!

You apparently have not read the articles on this because they weren't running from him even the officer stated he didn't think they knew he was behind him. They thought it was a friend that was following behind them in a car and you see that friend at the end after he catches back up with them. He's the one helping the guy after being shot...you know, while the hot @ss, gas leaking, smoking bike was laying on him and the officer wasn't doing anything. Even the other officer stated he was worried about the officer that was shooting because he was shooting right in his direction. Oh what if he was diabetic and needed a candy bar that was in his pocket? In order to use deadly force, lets look at the statue for that state..........



Sec. 2305.62.
(1) The person using the deadly force reasonably believes that the use of the deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious physical harm to the person's self or a third person or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.


So under this statute is reaching in his pocket (which he wasn't doing) deserve the response of deadly force?

[Tripyn]

You apparently have not read the articles on this because they weren't running from him even the officer stated he didn't think they knew he was behind him. They thought it was a friend that was following behind them in a car and you see that friend at the end after he catches back up with them. He's the one helping the guy after being shot...you know, while the hot @ss, gas leaking, smoking bike was laying on him and the officer wasn't doing anything. Even the other officer stated he was worried about the officer that was shooting because he was shooting right in his direction. Oh what if he was diabetic and needed a candy bar that was in his pocket? In order to use deadly force, lets look at the statue for that state..........



Sec. 2305.62.
(1) The person using the deadly force reasonably believes that the use of the deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious physical harm to the person's self or a third person or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.


So under this statute is reaching in his pocket (which he wasn't doing) deserve the response of deadly force?

Dam, I forgot you are the resident expert on this subject.

Listen, I did read the other article before I opened my trap and even though the poor bastard took a bullet (READ CLOSELY HERE because I will try to crystal clear) I find it very hard to buy the fact that he did not see the BLUE lights behind him, did not HEAR the cop telling him to put his hands up and did not realize the seriousness of the situation. So I am saying the biker was partly at fault -maybe! Was the cop justified? That is for a jury to decide and god help him if they are all bikers!

[ClevelandWheeler]

Dam, I forgot you are the resident expert on this subject.

Listen, I did read the other article before I opened my trap and even though the poor bastard took a bullet (READ CLOSELY HERE because I will try to crystal clear) I find it very hard to buy the fact that he did not see the BLUE lights behind him, did not HEAR the cop telling him to put his hands up and did not realize the seriousness of the situation. So I am saying the biker was partly at fault -maybe! Was the cop justified? That is for a jury to decide and god help him if they are all bikers!

Wow dont get your panties in a wad......So what your saying is that is someone runs from the cops the should be shot.....maybe! :roll: Im glad your not a cop (ASSUMING)

[Tripyn]

Panties, not wearing any-at least not today! ;)

Did I say anywhere in the post that I thought the cop was in the right, nope! All I was saying is that it was not I judgement call I would want to make and there were way to many "wrongs" to make any "rights" from what I can see in the video. No expert or cop here, just some keyboard devil (sorry Frank) the is stating his take on the whole thing.

[ClevelandWheeler]

Panties, not wearing any-at least not today! ;)

Did I say anywhere in the post that I thought the cop was in the right, nope! All I was saying is that it was not I judgement call I would want to make and there were way to many "wrongs" to make any "rights" from what I can see in the video. No expert or cop here, just some keyboard devil (sorry Frank) the is stating his take on the whole thing.

I was just jerkin your chain with the last post. I got your point.

[Shark Ethic]

It's a good thing that cop wasn't trying to pull over Cleavland Steamer over here. He would have put it up on one wheel and rode circles around the cop all while shooting at this feet telling him to dance!

[ClevelandWheeler]

It's a good thing that cop wasn't trying to pull over Cleavland Steamer over here. He would have put it up on one wheel and rode circles around the cop all while shooting at this feet telling him to dance!

You must not be capable of staying on topic (ADHD?) And for like the 4th time I dont do wheelies.

[Tripyn]

Man, I must be good-people love quoting me. It makes me feel very special.....and yes I rode the short bus! ;)

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk118/jacknjens/ShortBus.jpg

[Shark Ethic]

You must not be capable of staying on topic (ADHD?) And for like the 4th time I dont do wheelies.


I like turtles.

[Ex250Rider]

I love lamp

[SteedaGT]

Oo shiny.

[ClevelandWheeler]

http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=12485762

he was sentenced to 10 years behind bars.

[Hondasaki Dude]

http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=12485762

he was sentenced to 10 years behind bars.
He got what he deserved....:up:

[ClevelandWheeler]

He got what he deserved....:up: Agreed.

[Dunlop]

Kill Whitey! (Somebody had to say it)

[ClevelandWheeler]

Kill Whitey! (Somebody had to say it)

alrighty then

[daytonajoker]

I got 10-50'd by that idiot ex-Ormond cop Vince Champion about 10 years ago(fo no mirror) and outbraked his Police Harley so he had to come back to me....he was so pissed he ejected all 18 rounds from my HK onto the dirt on the side of the road